Supporting Python 3 is a Ghetto

In my spurious free time I maintain a few Python modules (py-yajl, Cheetah, PyECC) and am semi-involved in a couple others (Django, Eventlet), only one of which properly supports Python 3. For the uninitiated, Python 3 is a backwards incompatible progression of the Python language and CPython implementation thereof, it's represented significant challenges for the Python community insofar that supporting Python 2.xx, which is in wide deployment, and Python 3.xx simultaneously is difficult.

As it stands now my primary development environment is Python 2.6 on Linux/amd64, which means I get to take advantage of some of the nice things that were added to Python 3 and then back-ported to Python 2.6/2.7. Regular readers know about my undying love for Hudson, a Java-based continuous integration server, which I use to test and build all of the Python projects that I work on. While working this weekend I noticed that one of my C-based projects (py-yajl) was failing to link properly on Python 2.4 and 2.5. It might be easy to cut-off support for Python 2.4, which was first released over four years ago, there are still a number of heavy users of 2.4 (such as Slide), in fact it's still the default /usr/bin/python on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5. What makes this C-based module special, is that thanks to Travis, it runs properly on Python 3.1 as well. Since the Python C-API has been fairly stable through the 2 series into Python 3, maintaining a C-based module that supports multiple versions of Python.

In this case, it's as easy as some simple pre-processor definitions:#if PY_MAJOR_VERSION >= 3

define IS_PYTHON3

endifWhich I can use further down the line to modify the handling some of the minor internal changes for Python 3:#ifdef IS_PYTHON3

result = _internal_decode((_YajlDecoder *)decoder, PyBytes_AsString(bufferstring),


result = _internal_decode((_YajlDecoder *)decoder, PyString_AsString(buffer),


Not particularly pretty but it gets the job done, supporting all major versions of Python.

Python on Python

Writing modules in C is fun, can give you pretty good performance, but is not something you would want to do with a large package like Django (for example). Python is the language we all know and love to work with, a much more pleasant language to work with than C. If you build packages in pure Python, those packages have a much better chance running on top of IronPython or Jython, and the entire Python ecosystem is better for it.

A few weeks ago when I started to look deeper into the possibility of Cheetah support for Python 3, I found a process riddled with faults. First a disclaimer, Cheetah is almost ten years old; it's one of the oldest Python projects I can think of that's still chugging along. This translates into some very old looking code, most people who are new to the language aren't familiar with some of the ways the language has changed in the past five years, let alone ten.

The current means of supporting Python 3 with pure Python packages is as follows:

  1. Refactor the code enough such that 2to3 can process it
  2. Run 2to3 over the codebase, with the -w option to literally write the changes to the files
  3. Test your code on Python 3 (if it fails, go back to step 1)
  4. Create a source tarball, post to PyPI, continue developing in Python 2.xx

I'm hoping you spotted the same problem with this model that I did, due to the reliance on 2to3 you are now trapped into always developing Python targeting Python 2. This model will never succeed in moving people to Python 3, regardless of what amazing improvements it contains (such as the Unladen Swallow work) because you cannot develop on a day-to-day basis with Python 3, it's a magic conversion tool away.

Unlike with a C module for Python, I cannot #ifdef certain segments of code in and out, which forces me to constantly use 2to3 or fork my code and maintain two separate branches of my project, duplicating the work for every change. With Python 2 sticking around on the scene for years to come (I don;t believe 2.7 will be the last release) I cannot imagine either of these workflows making sense long term.

At a fundamental level, supporting Python 3 does not make sense for anybody developing modules, particularly open source ones. Despite Python 3 being "the future", it is currently impossible to develop using Python 3, maintaining support for Python 2, which all of us have to do. With enterprise operating systems like Red Hat or SuSE only now starting to get on board with Python 2.5 and Python 2.6, you can be certain that we're more than five years away from seeing Python 3 installed by default on any production machines.

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